Only in a land of fairy tales and disney lands can people believe that “things” just poof “appear”.
Evolution uses monkeys, time and chance to explain how everything came to be. The fool says in his heart there is no God, so I will prove to you that you are that fool. Take the evolution theory (which is your only choice), rewind it in your mind until you get to the Big Bang…now pause. How did those original molecules come into being?
Poof, fairy tales…they just appeared out of nothing, nowhere.
Ok so who is the dummy here, me or you? I got reality on my side and you dont and here is the obvious point you missed though you stare at it everyday…: Complex objects dont appear from nothing, be it a car, airplane, computer chip they all have a designer and strenous efforts to make them, any slip in the manufacturing process screws it all up.
I have reality on my side…I believe in a Designer: God., the God of the Bible that explained creation to your ancestors and could to you but you are stubborn as heck, Id say even more then a mule.
There are NO transistionary fossils in the record (ie. half bird, half fish) The second law of thermo-dynamics conclude that everything is falling apart, not evolving into mor complex entities.
How come we still have Apes if they evolved into humans? Apes are there to show how foolish you evolutionists are.
YOu could hide behind your “I dont believe that, I simply believe in the meatball theory” Then my theory on you being a fool would be obviously clear and intact.
And if you still think you are so smart and wise,to be above a Biblical God theory, allowt me ask your wife how you really are and it should silence you.
David Dorozan
You’re right. Only in a land of fantasy can there be a thing that makes things go poof out of nothing, including himself.
Dear God, this is terribly researched and argued. Seriously. I am a thirteen year old, and I could flog your logic to death with its own rhetoric. But I won’t, cause I’m lazy.
Just a taster of this travesty of wrong: All the apes didn’t evolve, dipshit. Only one species. And who ever said birds evolved from fish? Nobody. Life came out of the ocean, but it happened slowly. Give it a rest; you’re not impressing anybody.
Another thing: evolution only proposes how life changes gradually over time, NOT how the universe came into being in the first place. So shut the Hell up about that. It’s not true. At least I bother to know some things about what I’m defending… perhaps you should have read a fucking book before posting this.
Personally, I think your God is a fairy tale. So fuck off.
Hi, there. I go to a public school in Kansas. Can’t we all just agree that none of the theories (yes, including God) really make 100% sense when it comes to the creation of the universe?
Werefox and Alexa are completely right: if your argument is based on causality, then God, as well as Flying Spaghetti Monster, is out. I’m still hoping for evolution to find its theory of the beginning of the universe, because, honestly, the big bang doesn’t really do it for me, either.
And who says God didn’t create the world to begin with something small and make it evolve? If I were a god (and I know I’m not, so don’t try to point it out to me), I would enjoy starting little things and seeing where they went. What’s wrong with a little curiosity?
So, apparently, God wasn’t very creative, was He? We have fish, we have birds, we have mammals, we have reptiles, and we have bugs. Billions of different species, right? But only, what….. five classifications that most people can think of….. six, if you count humans as non-animals…..
I’m a Christian; I believe in God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God couldn’t speak in metaphore. Nowhere did it say that the prophets couldn’t, either.
I had a theory a couple years ago. It involved humankind evolving so far, that we invented time travel and had super-awesome powers and stuff (gained through TECHNOLOGY, not evil voodoo majicks). We got so smart, that we could create life. Why not? We’ve almost got the cloning thing down, don’t we?
So we went back in time to answer proverbial questions like “the chicken, or the egg?” and “the chicken, or the steak?” and “the chicken, or the coupe deville?” not to mention “God, or the Big Bang?”
Of course, when we got there, we saw ourselves creating the universe. Then we had a “Well, Duh!” moment.
So we went back to the future, grabbed all the matter, energy, etc, and took it into the past, rearranged it to be The Beginning, and kinda threw some living stuff together and called it good.
The dinosaurs weren’t doin’ too much that was interesting, so the “gods,” if you will (or if you won’t, I don’t really care much), wiped them out, and then started fresh.
Primates were much more promising. They finally turned into humans, and the population grew. Because the population grew so much, a lot of energy had to be given up by the advanced us (in accordance with the laws of conservation of mass and energy).
Because we liked ‘em, we chipped in, every now and then. We gave some advice (burning bush, anyone?), and watched from the sidelines.
Eventually, we kinda run outa juice, because we gave it all away. So the “gods” die. That’s why we haven’t heard much about God in a long time. That’s also why the future us didn’t run into a past, future us. Capice?
I realize that this theory has a lot of holes. But that’s ok; it’s just a theory. It’s not my thesis, and it’s certainly not my dissertation. It’s just an idea. You remember those, don’t you? They’re ok. They won’t bite.
While we’re not on the subject, you might just think about checking your grammar every once in a while….. Also just an idea.
It’s just hard for me to listen to your closed-mindedness when I have empty spaces where there should be apostrophes and commas and happy little squiggly guys running around. It just makes me so sad that I can’t even care about what you’re saying.
Another thing: You cannot seriously say “How come” and “foolish” in the same paragraph unless the latter is describing that paragraph’s author.
Commas do not directly follow periods, to my knowlege.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
–Cody, From Kansas
PS: FSM guys, Great job. I love the site….. Almost as much as I love the term “Pirate Regalia.”
Another thing: how can you even use thermo-dynamics as evidence for ANYTHING if you won’t even take time to consider evolution? Just wondering…..
One thing: is “*poof* God created the universe” any different than “*poof* something exploded and caused the universe”?
“But only, what….. five classifications that most people can think of….. six, if you count humans as non-animals…..”
????????????? Vegatables or minerals maybe?
Ahh….pastas. The sixth kingdom.
My imagination distracted me. That should have been the Sixth Domain: The Pasta Domain
“Only in a land of fairy tales and disney lands can people believe that “things†just poof “appearâ€.”
Only in a land of fairy tales and Disney(R) lands can people believe that “things” just poof “were created by something/one they have no proof existed, created only two humans we all descended from… wiped out all but one boat full because so infallable he/she was things had gone a little awry and needed a reset switch”
“Evolution uses monkeys, time and chance to explain how everything came to be.”
Ah yes, time. Carbon dating, space telescopes looking at objects that no longer exist and seeing so far they are looking into the past… genius.. Sorry, what was your point?
“Take the evolution theory (which is your only choice), rewind it in your mind until you get to the Big Bang…now pause. How did those original molecules come into being?”
Take creationist theory (which is your choice), rewind it in your narrow mind until you get to day 1, (God created the heaven and the earth)…now pause. How did those original constructions come into being? Right… see? You have only faith to go on whereas we have (n)oodles of scientific *RESEARCH*. Did I mention the space telescopes, damn but they are shiny…
“Ok so who is the dummy here, me or you? I got reality on my side and you dont”
Your perception of reality. In your tiny little mind. Can you not grasp that reality may just be bigger than you can comprehend (he works in mysterious ways after all) and that maybe you are not the authority to say what reality is? Just a thought…
“Complex objects dont appear from nothing, be it a car, airplane, computer chip they all have a designer and strenous efforts to make them, any slip in the manufacturing process screws it all up.”
So this is proof? No it is just your side of the argument again. Read a book. Your simplistic drivvel wastes my time. Screw things that are quite plainly MANUFACTURED BY MAN and let’s look at living organisms and the countless fossils and, oh yes, detailed scientifc analysis (back to that research word again) of just about anything you care to imagine. How many cures of diseases has the bible given us from it’s extensive resea… oh wait, no, my mistake…
“the God of the Bible that explained creation to your ancestors”
errr, no he didn’t, I think that was those human fellas that wrote the bible, possibly some jesus thrown in for good measure. I don’t recall anything about god having all the kids sit around on the carpet while he laid everything out in a primary school fashion, I would have remembered that… Go back to that reading I advised you to do…
Birds - fish, I will save time and just say Werefox has a good point. Apes? Ditto.
“The second law of thermo-dynamics conclude that everything is falling apart, not evolving into mor complex entities.”
Bit careless of God to let things fall apart on his watch no?
Best bit: “And if you still think you are so smart and wise,to be above a Biblical God theory, allowt me ask your wife how you really are and it should silence you.”
I have no idea WTF you mean. You realise you are addressing women here too? They most likely don’t have wives. I will let you ask my wife though, seriously, give me your number, don’t call us she will call you. Quite how you figure that would “silence” me I have no idea nor how you dare to suggest you CAN silence me. That sounds somewhat threatening, you are scared of other ideas, that is fair enough but don’t you DARE come trying to silence me.
David Dorozan, sir, you are a moron.
“Complex objects dont appear from nothing, be it a car, airplane, computer chip they all have a designer and strenous efforts to make them, any slip in the manufacturing process screws it all up.â€
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This is straight out of the ID BS.
Just one quick point on the second law of thermodynamics. I love it when people use this argument. It proves how truly uneducated they are.
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The second law of thermodynamics has been stated many ways, but in essence “The entropy of a closed system will increse over time.” In other words, heat will tend to dissipate and chaos will tend to increase. The basic problem with this argument is that the Earth is not a closed system. Ample energy is constantly introduced to the Earth from the sun. Get it?
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FYI, even Answers in Genesis, the world’s most fucked up excuse for religion trying to masquerade as science, rejects the second law argument as crap. Incidently, they also reject your “ape-man” argument. You are seriously screwed if you can’t even get AIG to agree with you.
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Here’s a dollar. Go buy a clue.
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OEJ
“Only in a land of fairy tales and disney lands can people believe that “things†just poof “appearâ€.”
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Totally agree, one question how did God come about then?
“There are NO transistionary fossils in the record (ie. half bird, half fish).”
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LOL this guy is truely thick, you just can’t make people like this understand can you,
“How come we still have Apes if they evolved into humans? Apes are there to show how foolish you evolutionists are.”
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How many times do we have to tell you man did not evolve from Apes they both had a common ancestor. Do you actually know anything? If yuo will only read the Churches lies on evolution how can you expect to learn about how anazing evolution truely is. Please Please read R Dawkins The blind watchmaker and come back here after you have.
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@Cody:
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I go to a public school in Kansas. Can’t we all just agree that none of the theories (yes, including God) really make 100% sense when it comes to the creation of the universe?
Werefox and Alexa are completely right: if your argument is based on causality, then God, as well as Flying Spaghetti Monster, is out. I’m still hoping for evolution to find its theory of the beginning of the universe, because, honestly, the big bang doesn’t really do it for me, either.
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Once again for the record. Evolution is not a creation theory. I therefore have to categorically reject your assertion that it is not 100% valid vis-a-vis origin theory. You cannot debunk it because it has no relation whatsoever to your argument.
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And who says God didn’t create the world to begin with something small and make it evolve? If I were a god (and I know I’m not, so don’t try to point it out to me), I would enjoy starting little things and seeing where they went. What’s wrong with a little curiosity?
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What makes you think Godâ„¢ thinks the way you do? He sorta probably has a much grander sense of scale and perspective.
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So, apparently, God wasn’t very creative, was He? We have fish, we have birds, we have mammals, we have reptiles, and we have bugs. Billions of different species, right? But only, what….. five classifications that most people can think of….. six, if you count humans as non-animals…..
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You assume we know everything there is to know about our world. But if you want to toss this out, I would say it goes rather far to prove commonality between sub species; each classification started from a slightly differently evolved cell… yep, strongly supports evolution theory AND the law of genetics.
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I’m a Christian; I believe in God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God couldn’t speak in metaphore. Nowhere did it say that the prophets couldn’t, either.
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Uhh… Christians say that. Non-Christians and certain sects of Christianity argue for a strong allegorical component, not to mention some downright fabrication on the parts of editors and some well-intended translation errors, but they are shot down repeatedly by Christians who insist on a literal interpretation. That is your religion’s boo-boo, not mine. Otherwise, a lot of people died at the stake for a metaphor, and that is unforgiveable.
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I had a theory a couple years ago. It involved humankind evolving so far, that we invented time travel and had super-awesome powers and stuff…
I realize that this theory has a lot of holes. But that’s ok; it’s just a theory. It’s not my thesis, and it’s certainly not my dissertation. It’s just an idea. You remember those, don’t you? They’re ok. They won’t bite.
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Except… your use of the word theory… you keep saying that. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Stick to calling it an idea and you will be fine. =) Otherwise, it’d have to submit to the same rigorous testing processes that scientific theories do—to ensure it was repeatable, generable under consistent conditions, uniform in output of empirical data, and unable to be disproven to date. Once your idea takes on those proportions, then you can call it a theory.
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So many gaps in education these days. But I appreciate your defense of your school system, even though it has not done as well for such a clearly intelligent, literate young person as yourself as it ought. Best of luck for the future.
Poooh… left off a tag and now my post makes no sense. /sigh
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Sorry, everyone!
What a idiot. Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang. The big bang may not be right, maybe the universe existed forever. But there are lots of transition fossils. It cleaver what he did there he made it look like he is saying there is no part fish part bird fossil. But what he meant is that there is no fossil of a proto bird (there are loads) and no proto fish (loads again) If the fish and bird are not good enough how about whales plenty of transitionall forms and humans have many. Oh and you said DisneyR without a R .But if your stupid and have not researched our side of the debate and think that we believe there was a fish-bird, then you are a moron That will cost you aprox 12 million dollars. May the sauce be with you.
There are theories about how there are conditions which provide all the resources for life, I chose to follow the many worlds theory. For every possibility, there is a universe in which it is a reality, so there are many universes in which life is possible. As for the big bang, something must have happened to create such a tremendous burst of energy. This may have been everything imploding upon itself, we can already see the energy from the big bang lessening, and instead of the universe expanding it will start to fall in upon itself until everything collides and another big bang occurs, and who knows how many times this cycle has repeated itself, or indeed how many times it will do so?
Big bang = every time traveller in the entire history of the universe, all arriving at the same time, in the same place.
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Moral: if you ever do happen to find yourself in possession of a fully functioning time machine, the thought “I wonder how far back this thing can go?” is NOT to be pursued.
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Or perhaps it’d be better if you did. Ouch, I think I just paradoxed meself…
Actually, it can’t be in the history of the universe. The past, present AND future of the universe.
@Enlightened
Nice touch — Godâ„¢
Ouch paradoxs hurt, you should have been there when i tryed to kill my grandad. Of and if the second law means that life cant evolve it means that you cant build a car, or make a better computer, or evan learn anything.
OEj
You are a man of many talents!
RAmen
@ Davey
Big bang = every time traveller in the entire history of the universe, all arriving at the same time, in the same place.
Travellers at the End of Time? Micheal Moorcock (never did find out if Moorcock was his rel family name) Another eloquent Englishman. I think he be a pirate.
nikkiee,
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One must be flexible like His Noodly Appendage.
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RAmen.
Well yes OEJ
I think you are blessed to be an aspiring theologian and not the prophet himself. Three oars and a dog would command a great deal of flexibility!!
Let’s see if we can fix this boldface How is that?
Bah! Guess this blog doesn’t recognize html tags.
How is that?
Bold!
the fact that god just created everything out of nowhere is a fairytale. way to be a hypocrite
this one is just too easy.
I must add something very late, but I must say, I am impressed by the 13 year old!
Bravo, even now that you are 15 ;)