Comments on: Bobby, You already have faith http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:03:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Commodore Angryy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-221147 Commodore Angryy Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:01:03 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-221147 Alchemist "Commodore Angryy “…when this theory comes up fundies say “that explosion is god”.” ripped from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down . “If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu’s view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, “How about the tortoise?” the Indian said, “Suppose we change the subject.”" Bertrand Russell, 1927 “Why I am not a Christian”" Ok, what the hell first of all. If i were to quote wikipedia, i wouldn't be bothered changing the wording around, i'm lazy, and you know it. Second, i actually learn shit in religion class and don't need wikipedia to provide me with ammunition against fundies. 3rd, if i were looking for stuff about god, why would i type turtles into search? Your entire theory on this is flawed, and i'm personally shocked that you think that i need shit like wikipedia to make me an intellectual. What a dick. Alchemist
“Commodore Angryy
“…when this theory comes up fundies say “that explosion is god”.”

ripped from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
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“If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu’s view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, “How about the tortoise?” the Indian said, “Suppose we change the subject.”” Bertrand Russell, 1927 “Why I am not a Christian””

Ok, what the hell first of all. If i were to quote wikipedia, i wouldn’t be bothered changing the wording around, i’m lazy, and you know it. Second, i actually learn shit in religion class and don’t need wikipedia to provide me with ammunition against fundies. 3rd, if i were looking for stuff about god, why would i type turtles into search? Your entire theory on this is flawed, and i’m personally shocked that you think that i need shit like wikipedia to make me an intellectual. What a dick.

]]> By: Red DutchPasta Wench http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-174190 Red DutchPasta Wench Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:15:35 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-174190 I think so Booty, rust makes for less enjoyable pastasauce :( I think so Booty, rust makes for less enjoyable pastasauce :(

]]> By: Booty http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-174169 Booty Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:48:14 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-174169 @Alchemist - Mine is from Wilkos :) It is getting a bit rusty round the edges,do you think I need to upgrade too? @Alchemist - Mine is from Wilkos :)
It is getting a bit rusty round the edges,do you think I need to upgrade too?

]]> By: Commodore Angryy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-174102 Commodore Angryy Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:57:26 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-174102 @ Dutchy the heat and light from the explosion of the BB could have been a catalyst for the entire universe to simply start existing at the speed of light. the normal rules of phsics don't exist in a black hole, ad certainly not in the beginning, if indeed there was one. and before you say anything, ask yourself... were you there? @ Dutchy
the heat and light from the explosion of the BB could have been a catalyst for the entire universe to simply start existing at the speed of light. the normal rules of phsics don’t exist in a black hole, ad certainly not in the beginning, if indeed there was one. and before you say anything, ask yourself… were you there?

]]> By: DutchPastaGuy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173845 DutchPastaGuy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:34:07 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173845 RAmen Iron Bess RAmen Iron Bess

]]> By: Iron Bess http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173833 Iron Bess Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:57:44 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173833 These days we are lucky that the fundies are not in power (yet), if they were, there would be a lot of toasted people around. The fundies have a tendency to get hostile if people do not buy into their particular fairy tale which they are so enamoured with. Which, IMO, shows that they are afraid of exposing their faith (beliefs) to any kind of scrutiny for fear of all the enormous black holes which would show up in them. . I too am completely unapologetic and loud in my response to silly ideas. But I am also cognizant of the fact that I am able to do that without fear for my very life. Religion is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous and has shown itself over and over to be a menace to society and to mankind. Richard Dawkins, is correct when he says that it should not be acceptable to raise children as muslims, or catholics or hindus. Children should be protected against the evil influences of religion, not encouraged to accept it with blind faith. . Once that happens what else could they blindly follow? White Supremacy? Book Burning? Eminem? Barney? Burning Witches? etc, etc. These days we are lucky that the fundies are not in power (yet), if they were, there would be a lot of toasted people around. The fundies have a tendency to get hostile if people do not buy into their particular fairy tale which they are so enamoured with. Which, IMO, shows that they are afraid of exposing their faith (beliefs) to any kind of scrutiny for fear of all the enormous black holes which would show up in them.
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I too am completely unapologetic and loud in my response to silly ideas. But I am also cognizant of the fact that I am able to do that without fear for my very life. Religion is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous and has shown itself over and over to be a menace to society and to mankind. Richard Dawkins, is correct when he says that it should not be acceptable to raise children as muslims, or catholics or hindus. Children should be protected against the evil influences of religion, not encouraged to accept it with blind faith.
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Once that happens what else could they blindly follow? White Supremacy? Book Burning? Eminem? Barney? Burning Witches? etc, etc.

]]> By: DutchPastaGuy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173824 DutchPastaGuy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:24:15 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173824 @Thalassophobic Pie Rat "I’ve never studied much physics so no-one shout at me" . Don't worry TPR, we don't shout at people because of their lack of knowledge concerning physics. When christians distort things, quote mine etc because science blows away their fairy tale beliefs and they therefore want to wish away or discredit scientific knowledge and promote ignorance (in which faith can thrive so well) then we do shout at them. At least I do. Loudly and unapolagetically. @Thalassophobic Pie Rat
“I’ve never studied much physics so no-one shout at me”
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Don’t worry TPR, we don’t shout at people because of their lack of knowledge concerning physics. When christians distort things, quote mine etc because science blows away their fairy tale beliefs and they therefore want to wish away or discredit scientific knowledge and promote ignorance (in which faith can thrive so well) then we do shout at them. At least I do. Loudly and unapolagetically.

]]> By: Alchemist http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173817 Alchemist Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:11:05 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173817 <i>"@Alchemist - sorry! Forgot about that - got overconfident with my sieve on :D"</i> . Are you still using the "Prestige, 1mm"? I've been thinking about moving to Le Creuset - expensive I know but the witches seem to swear by the make! “@Alchemist - sorry! Forgot about that - got overconfident with my sieve on :D”
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Are you still using the “Prestige, 1mm”? I’ve been thinking about moving to Le Creuset - expensive I know but the witches seem to swear by the make!

]]> By: Booty http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173797 Booty Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:21:34 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173797 @TPR - A black hole in the FSM's baby blanket, obviously! Duh! ;) @Alchemist - sorry! Forgot about that - got overconfident with my sieve on :D @TPR - A black hole in the FSM’s baby blanket, obviously! Duh! ;)
@Alchemist - sorry! Forgot about that - got overconfident with my sieve on :D

]]> By: Thalassophobic Pie Rat http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173789 Thalassophobic Pie Rat Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:00:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173789 [quote] Commodore Angryy "the BB theory states that the universe wasn’t there to begin with. all that was there was a singualrity, a black hole that contained all the mass of the universe." [/quote] I've never studied much physics so no-one shout at me; I can understand that it’s possible that everything we know as the universe came from this black hole, but a black hole in what? [quote] Commodore Angryy

“the BB theory states that the universe wasn’t there to begin with. all that was there was a singualrity, a black hole that contained all the mass of the universe.” [/quote]

I’ve never studied much physics so no-one shout at me; I can understand that it’s possible that everything we know as the universe came from this black hole, but a black hole in what?

]]> By: Alchemist http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173782 Alchemist Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:48:48 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173782 "Great A’Tuin is swimming through space, silly!" . Shhhh Booty :) We know that but some of these anthropomorphic personifier's are still in the dark! The Turtle Moves! “Great A’Tuin is swimming through space, silly!”
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Shhhh Booty :) We know that but some of these anthropomorphic personifier’s are still in the dark!
The Turtle Moves!

]]> By: Booty http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173766 Booty Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:00:53 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173766 Great A'Tuin is swimming through space, silly! Great A’Tuin is swimming through space, silly!

]]> By: Alchemist http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173757 Alchemist Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:32:47 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173757 Commodore Angryy <i>"...when this theory comes up fundies say “that explosion is god”."</i> ripped from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down . <i>"If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, "How about the tortoise?" the Indian said, "Suppose we change the subject.""</i> Bertrand Russell, 1927 "Why I am not a Christian" Commodore Angryy
“…when this theory comes up fundies say “that explosion is god”.”

ripped from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
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“If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu’s view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, “How about the tortoise?” the Indian said, “Suppose we change the subject.”" Bertrand Russell, 1927 “Why I am not a Christian”

]]> By: DutchPastaGuy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173756 DutchPastaGuy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:31:30 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173756 But both fission and fusion require at least protons and neutrons to be stable, as well as at the very least the element helium. With your reply you still require them to be so before the BB. Postulating that stable protons, neutrons and even He were around before the BB contradicts a good deal of the rest of BB theory. But both fission and fusion require at least protons and neutrons to be stable, as well as at the very least the element helium. With your reply you still require them to be so before the BB. Postulating that stable protons, neutrons and even He were around before the BB contradicts a good deal of the rest of BB theory.

]]> By: Commodore Angryy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173752 Commodore Angryy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:22:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173752 the BB theory states that the universe wasn't there to begin with. all that was there was a singualrity, a black hole that contained all the mass of the universe. for some reason, it became unstable and exploded. and a nuclear explosion involves fission, and then fusion again. so this theory is possible. the BB theory states that the universe wasn’t there to begin with. all that was there was a singualrity, a black hole that contained all the mass of the universe. for some reason, it became unstable and exploded. and a nuclear explosion involves fission, and then fusion again. so this theory is possible.

]]> By: DutchPastaGuy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173741 DutchPastaGuy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:56 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173741 @Commodore Angryy . "there is a theory that the thing that originated the big bang was a nuclear explosion. of course, when this theory comes up fundies say “that explosion is god”." . I'm not too familiar with the Big Bang theory, but how could a nuclear explosion have caused the BB? I thought the temperature just after the BB was too enormously hot even for sub-nuclear particles to stick together and that it took a very short time before even hydrogen could be formed (by letting things cool down far enough for protons to be stable). That would be a problem for the theory you mention, wouldn't it? @Commodore Angryy
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“there is a theory that the thing that originated the big bang was a nuclear explosion. of course, when this theory comes up fundies say “that explosion is god”.”
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I’m not too familiar with the Big Bang theory, but how could a nuclear explosion have caused the BB? I thought the temperature just after the BB was too enormously hot even for sub-nuclear particles to stick together and that it took a very short time before even hydrogen could be formed (by letting things cool down far enough for protons to be stable). That would be a problem for the theory you mention, wouldn’t it?

]]> By: Commodore Angryy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173736 Commodore Angryy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:00:23 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173736 there is a theory that the thing that originated the big bang was a nuclear explosion. of course, when this theory comes up fundies say "that explosion is god". there is a theory that the thing that originated the big bang was a nuclear explosion. of course, when this theory comes up fundies say “that explosion is god”.

]]> By: Red DutchPasta Wench http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173726 Red DutchPasta Wench Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:45:51 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173726 DPG, that sound a lot like Asimov's Fundation series. There something like that actually happens, and it sounds plausible too. DPG, that sound a lot like Asimov’s Fundation series. There something like that actually happens, and it sounds plausible too.

]]> By: DutchPastaGuy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173697 DutchPastaGuy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:39:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173697 Ah, another Christian, another demonstration of how faith makes people happy to be stupid. According to the comment, those of us whose refridgerators are powered by nuclear energy keep their food cool by faith. Noone man has ever seen uranium nuclei split with his own eyes, nor will they ever. I would strongly contend that that is knowledge rather than faith (two very different, mutually exclusive things). Or does the poster of the original comment think we should praise nuclear reactors too and that they who work to keep them running are high-priests of nuclear physical faith? Ah, another Christian, another demonstration of how faith makes people happy to be stupid. According to the comment, those of us whose refridgerators are powered by nuclear energy keep their food cool by faith. Noone man has ever seen uranium nuclei split with his own eyes, nor will they ever. I would strongly contend that that is knowledge rather than faith (two very different, mutually exclusive things). Or does the poster of the original comment think we should praise nuclear reactors too and that they who work to keep them running are high-priests of nuclear physical faith?

]]> By: Commodore Angryy http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173657 Commodore Angryy Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:31:51 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2005/07/28/bobby-you-already-have-faith.htm#comment-173657 can jesus cast fireball or magic missile. i think not. i bet we've got more cannons than him too can jesus cast fireball or magic missile. i think not. i bet we’ve got more cannons than him too

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