Sorry Bobby, but I think the evolution that’s being taught in the classrooms today as “science” requires a lot of “faith”. and talk about a stretch – they take one little dinosaur bone & create an entire community of dinosaurs & present them to our children as absolute fact – now that’s unbelievable!
Besides, the REAL reason that evolution works for many people has to do with morality – if you don’t believe in God, you aren’t accountable & you can go on your merry way & do your own thing regardless of what that is…..that kind of gets messed up when you put God in the picture ya know with the Thou Shalt nots & all – people just can’t reconcile their immoral lifestyles with the holiness God requires – bottom line – that’s why it’s essential to get rid of God/Jesus at any cost. You can pretty much believe in other stuff that’s “fluffy, touchy feely” but whatever you do – don’t mention that somebody might be doing someting wrong, immoral or even “sinful”. Then you/ve really done it. I think you get the picture….. and unfortunately, so do many other Christians who have now begun to be persecuted & shunned for their faith. And yes, made fun of as if they only have half a brain in their warped little heads.
I would invite you to “read The BooK” – there are no “secrets” there – just many truths waiting for anyone willing to read them. I would encourage you to start reading the Book of John. Actually, one of the most beloved New Testament writers – Paul – was a former persecutor of Christians until he literally “saw the light”. I don’t know what kind of relationship you have with the Flying Spaghetti Monster but I can promise you that if that’s all there is in your life – there’s something missing – but the good news is that it’s easily found – for those who ernestly seek Him – the only begotten Son of God – Jesus Christ. If you don’t know His story already – please, as I suggested, start looking in the pages of that controversial book – The Bible. Thanks for reading. Pam Deehan.
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evolution doesn’t require as much faith as ID, though.
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The reason why I choose to “believe” in the theory of evolution is because nobody, anywhere is claiming it to be the ultimate answer. It is only that – a theory. I personally think there’s enough evidence (EVIDENCE, not PROOF) to make me buy it as a reasonable and feasible explanation as to how life arose and developed. If someone comes up with a new theory, which has better evidence, or new pieces of evidence to amend the current theory, then I will surely buy that as well (rather than pig-headedly digging my heels in and pouting, “that’s not what I’ve been taught”) It is the ability to change one’s mind when one is proven wrong that is the key to personal growth. And cultural growth, for that matter. I’m sure I don’t need to pull out Galileo again, do I? If we were uncapable of adjusting our mindsets, then we would never learn ANYTHING. We’d be trapped in the mind of an infant for all of our lives. Which would, subsequently, be quite short, I’m sure.
I have a good friend who is a Jehova’s Witness, and we’ve discussed religion and theology on many occasions, and during these discussions I’ve come to realize that Creationists are really uncapable of reevaluting anything they know, because they have been taught that their truth is the penultimate TRUTH. Period. What amuses me most about the Creationists is that when speaking about pretty much any topic outside of religion, whether it be politics or whatever, they’re usually open to some amount of reasoning, logic and may even listen to your arguments and try to COUNTER them rather than just dismiss them, but once the G-word is mentioned, other rules apply…
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Sorry, noone should be under Sargoth-Kuul’s reign. I know all christians love him under another name, but he will just impale you with his bony clawish fingers. Or step on you for fun.
Btw, everyone who has read the Paul Evangelium knows he is a nut case. He probably had Sargoth-Kuul’s drool dripping down his shoulder when writing it (in fear) anyways.
FSM eternal!
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Don’t contest evolution whit believing in God:
[url]http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-pope-accepts-evolution.htm[/url]
Atheism is much older then evolution theory also. I don’t believe in personal God but it has nothing to do whit evolution I know many that believe and they are evolutionist.
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Hey Cyberatog do you have me info on Sargoth-Kuul? I’d really love to know more!
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Crap, more info…
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Yes, tell us about Sargoth-Kuul. He sounds like an interesting person.
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Small problem here Pam the only controversy is in your mind
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When was the gospel of John written and when did John die, let me help you out
John was obviously a grown man in year 0 say as a contemporary of Jesus 25.
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Theological scholars cannot agree exactly when the Gospel was written but say
No earlier than 65AD and no later than 120AD. This may be presumptive but I would say that
John didn’t write it. I wonder if it could have been embellished to prove a point or 10.
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Your point about one little dinosaur bone is incorrect in at least two ways. No bones have
ever been found only fossils of bones, I’ll let you look it up in the atheists bible, the encyclopaedia.
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They have found millions of fossils, MILLIONS they can construct entire skeletons, work out migration patterns, diets and many other things, this is not theory, it hard provable fact. Go to a museum it is there before your eyes evidence not faith.
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As for needing a deity to hold my moral well being together you are a disgrace, I have the same moral code as any one else, I have never murdered anyone, but the catholic church, murdered millions in the name of your kind and benevolent god. The Inquisition is a good place to start.
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He guy who murdered the children in paradise a couple of weeks ago was a church goer.
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Jerry Fullwell fine leader for the Christian church.
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Priests who are really paedophiles.
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Don’t preach to me – Get you facts write – Understand what the FSM is about.
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And understand the difference between empirical proof and unsupportable faith
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“if you don’t believe in God, you aren’t accountable & you can go on your merry way & do your own thing regardless of what that is”
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Pam, I’m sorry but i’ve got to take issue here. Are you really suggesting that if you don’t believe in a deity there is no moral code? surely everyone who posts here is evidence to the opposite. I’m willing to bet most of the postees (is that a term? if not i’m inventing it) haven’t murdered, haven’t stolen, coveted thy neighbours ass (although she has a lovely one) and steadfastly refuse to worship a false idol (thats’s kind of the whole point by the way).
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What is different is that each one decides for themselves. They choose to live life in a moral way, without the whole threat of the cosmic creator peeking in their brain and promising eternal pain and torment for thinking a bad thought. Surely that makes them more moral than those who require a faith structure to guide them? If you need the theological carrot and stick of heaven and hell then you aren’t really moral are you? you’re just looking out for your own future well being. These guys (and wenches aarrrrr) are moral simply because they have decided that this s a better way to exist.
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Finally, if the reason for having belief is to provide a moral code, is essence believing a lie because the world may be better for it. I’m sorry but i’ll take the truth and my chances.
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People have said it before, but i’ll say it again, because it is such a great point…
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WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOUR GOD SO SPECIAL?
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Another way to put it is why should we follow a religion with a history of violence, central texts of dubious origin, contradicting arguments and no heaven of beers and strippers?
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I think ill stay with my faith
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Spider wish i’d said that aarrrrrr
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Even apart from the ridiculous idea that atheists and people who agree with the theory of evolution can’t have moral values (which we most certainly can!) there’s another problem with the original argument: To say that a scientific theory is wrong because it has undesirable consequences is just plain stupid.
For analogy…
Obviously Newton’s laws of motion can’t possibly be true! F=ma? A typical attempt to make a made-up law look scientific by using technical jargon. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction? Anyone can see that’s not true! And here’s the proof:
Newtonian physics says that if I drive my car at 75 mph straight towards a solid brick wall, I’ll crash and die.
Do you seriously want to believe in a system of physical laws that makes you die? I don’t! Therefore, it’s clear that the FSM must be the one making these “physical laws” work, and if I try to drive my car at a brick wall, he’ll save me with his Noodly Appendage.
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Spider – I could not have put my thoughts down better than you did, thank you.
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Well said, Spider!
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I dropped in alongside of the preparations already made.
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“if you don’t believe in God, you aren’t accountable & you can go on your merry way & do your own thing regardless of what that is…..that kind of gets messed up when you put God in the picture ya know with the Thou Shalt nots & all – people just can’t reconcile their immoral lifestyles with the holiness God requires – bottom line – that’s why it’s essential to get rid of God/Jesus at any cost. You can pretty much believe in other stuff that’s “fluffy, touchy feely†but whatever you do – don’t mention that somebody might be doing someting wrong, immoral or even “sinfulâ€.”
. . . So whether god actually exists or not is irrelevant? It seems that you are suggesting that because YOU need god in order to keep yourself from misbehaving, everyone else must also. This is a great example of people projecting their own needs on other people. Reads like protective ego to me. Maybe god isn’t the answer. Maybe all you need is a reason to have some self respect. Hmmm. . .
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“they take one little dinosaur bone & create an entire community of dinosaurs”
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WRONG! over 1000 dinosaur species have been discovered, the vast majority of which have more than “one little bone” as evidence. and then there’s the mammal-like reptiles, the pre-mesozoic amphibians, the megafauna that existed between the cretaceous extinction and about 100,000 years ago…an awful lot of fossils to contend with there.
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“I would invite you to “read The BooK†– there are no “secrets†there – just many truths waiting for anyone willing to read them”
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been there, done that. instead of starting with the book of John, why not try Leviticus? Deuteronomy? Judges? Genesis? i’m sure someone like you will have great fun coming up with excuses for the countless barbaric atrocities committed in the name of God (and by God Himself, on plenty occassions). Personally, i like my literature to be a little less far-fetched.
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@Matt
I like that ’self-respect’ way of looking at it. I’d like to borrow that phrase.
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http://www.angelfire.com/aoyobu/1.html
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I had one of them, but the wheels fell off…
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To be honest, the whole, “the REAL reason that evolution works for many people has to do with morality – if you don’t believe in God, you aren’t accountable & you can go on your merry way & do your own thing regardless of what that is…..that kind of gets messed up when you put God in the picture ya know with the Thou Shalt nots & all – people just can’t reconcile their immoral lifestyles with the holiness God requires – bottom line – that’s why it’s essential to get rid of God/Jesus at any cost.” is the opposite of the truth. When you have God, this is how it goes down:
Sinner: “God I have sinned, forgive me.”
God: “Is okay, you didn’t do anything wrong so long as you apologized.”
Sinner: “Yay! I’m not held accountable.”
When there is no God, you have to face the person, apologize to THEM. You truly do not understand why that makes me so angry. You people can do WHATEVER you want, and get away with it, because you just have to apologize to God and He forgives you. That’s not how it should be. That is just a way for you to feel good even though you’ve done something bad.
Here’s to Hoping His Noodly Appendage touches you
-GM
RAmen
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