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By: Itaibn

Itaibn — Sun, 18 May 2008 23:05:36 +0000

ChimmeChonga:
“but if it is not faith in gravity, then what is?”
Reason. In other words, I trust gravity because I analyze evidence, which is exactly Perna de Pau’s definition of reason.

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By: tewlyWaityTat

tewlyWaityTat — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:33:11 +0000

I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:

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By: ChimmeChonga

ChimmeChonga — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:17:26 +0000

I forgot to mention that if you take book completely seriosly an literally you miss out on a lot. The same can be said of the Bible. There are several schools of thought on the Creation Story. I, like many believe this was just a way to show that God created the Earth and mankind(and woman to, don’t wnat to get in trouble). I do not think that it is the only way the universe was created, just a symbolic story. I am not saying, however, that the entire Bible is fake. Much of what has happened in the Bible has had real life examples. When written down they ended up being “miracles.” Now there lies a problem. Any educated nonbeliever(I know , I was one, and I’m still educated just so you know) would say “Without your miracles you are nothing and your religion is nothing.” This, however, only proves that their definition of “miracle” is a little off kilter. I do not requitre miracles to always be this magnificent, giant, impossible event. I see birth as a miracle, saving a life, helping someone. Call me quant but that is what I believe.

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By: ChimmeChonga

ChimmeChonga — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:58:25 +0000

-Perna de Pau, not to be insulting, but you are just arguing semantics. All you have to prove gravities existance is that you don’t float away(compelling proof I will admit) and several mathematic equations, which when applied mean very little(not that I disagree with them). I do understand what you are saying, but if that is not faith in gravity then what is. Do you wake every morning and say “I can prove gravity, therefore I won’t float away when I get out of bed.”? No, you just get up and probably don’t run the math through your head. That is faith(not that I’m saying you believe in a religion).

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By: Perna de Pau

Perna de Pau — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:45:28 +0000

@ChimmeChonga: I find your faith in gravity very surprising in someone who says he believes in science. I do not have faith in gravity, I know it exists because, even if I do not see it, I can recognise proof of its existence. The difference between faith and reason is precisely that: reason makes you analyse evidence and faith makes you believe despite evidence.
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@Pluto: I know many christians who accept science while agreeing that most of the bible (ot) is not to be interpreted literally.

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By: PacificPam

PacificPam — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:17:30 +0000

Argh, some is tired and moody…=)
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Luv ya darling…have a wonderful night of sleep.

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By: ChimmeChonga

ChimmeChonga — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:11:38 +0000

To answer Pluto-not at all. You have to realize that not all Christians are Bible thumping barbarians. A lot of what the Bible says is acknowledged(in the Bible itself) to be figurative. that and to ignore science is foolish no-matter what you believe. Not only that but just because science is not in the Bible does not mean that it can not exist within my religion. The bible was written by people who who were considered intelectuals(at the time) over thousands of years ago. They did not have the experience that we do in the 21 century. I mean, it’s not like I would completely ignore the Bible for science or vice versa. there is valuable information to be had from both. I will also admit that I do believe differently than some Christians and I am only a Christian because I believe Christ lived and died on a cross(as foolish as that may seem to others). So, you may be right in that I’m not a regular Christian, but that doesn’t mean in order to be a Christian I must be a dogmatic heathen that does not understand or enjoy certain things.

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By: Pluto (Not sorry at all!)

Pluto (Not sorry at all!) — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:42:12 +0000

@ Pam- So is Old Grouch! If you believe in the bible you don’t believe in science. Sorry but they are not compatible.
You can’t say;
1) I think the Earth is only 6000 years old (as stated by the bible) and I think it is 4.54 billion years old (as stated by science).
2) I think all life was created as it is in 7 days and I also think that it evolved over billions of years
I won’t both with the contradictions in the bible as I, and many others, have posted them on different threads.
Perhaps he will claim that parts of the bible are symbolic?
But who decided which bit are which? Surly the whole concept of god is a metaphor? So why believe any of it is true?
Sorry grouch but if you believe in the bible your beliefs are not compatible with science. It’s just the way it is!
Now I can’t tell you how the universe was created. Maybe there was an intelligence that started everything? But it isn’t the one that Christians seem to believe, that’s for sure.
So by all means believe in a god if you whish, but acknowledge it would not be as depicted by any human religion.

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By: PacificPam

PacificPam — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:24:55 +0000

@Pluto – Naaah..by god..you know…sorry I’m ranting again

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By: Pluto (Not sorry at all!)

Pluto (Not sorry at all!) — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:19:01 +0000

@ Old Grouch- “Aren’t you merely echoing the kind of hate mail that FSM people have been receiving?”
No. No I’m not.

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By: Old Grouch

Old Grouch — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:08:43 +0000

@Pluto – Perhaps I’m that “Grumpy old dude” you’re talking about.
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Aren’t you merely echoing the kind of hate mail that FSM people have been receiving? Only your form keeps insisting that there “must be” some form of conflict between what you refer to as “Christianity, and belief in God”, and what you call “science”; with strong overtones of an anti-Bible attitude as well.
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Perhaps, were you to actually study the subjects a bit more, you would not be quite so assertive about what others “are”, or “ought to be”. I think Shakespeare said it – in one of his best “throw-away” lines – “There are more things twixt heaven and earth than all philosophy has ever dreamed of, O Horatio.”
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Christinaity does not find them all to be necessarily mutually exclusive, or inherently contradictory.
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On another line, I have mentioned a work by two Jewish scholars, THE BIBLE UNEARTHED, by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. This is a study by two rather well respected archaeologists; and might serve to help you differentiate between the positions of “book as an absolute, on everything” – as with Mohamed’s Qran – and “book as a collection of transcriptions of oral mythology”, at least insofar as the “Old Testament” portion be concerned.
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Not all Christians are bibliolators.

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By: Pluto (Not sorry at all!)

Pluto (Not sorry at all!) — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:01:47 +0000

Not by me I hope?

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By: PacificPam

PacificPam — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:53:08 +0000

I feel used now….

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By: Pluto (Not sorry at all!)

Pluto (Not sorry at all!) — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:45:52 +0000

@ChimmeChonga- yeah but it is really. If you believe in science and God you’re not a real Christian! You are something else. I think you and others who believe in science and god should define yourself separately from Christians. The Grumpy old dude that posts here was on about something similar. If you believe in science you know most of what’s in the bible is crap, your faith needs to be as distinct from Christianity as Christianity is from Hinduism. Look at the big 3! All founded on poor morals and lies. Keep your moral code. Keep your belief in god if it brings you comfort. But recognise you are not one of them! You will feel better for it.
Pity scientology has been used by cultist winkers. It would be a good name for those dedicated to the pursuit of god thought science. Some respected scientists have that view. They don’t believe what’s in the bible but they believe that the universe was stated by something. I was talking about this to a friend. I told him if there was a god who created the universe, it was probably as an experiment to see what would happen.

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By: ChimmeChonga

ChimmeChonga — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:22:55 +0000

I would like to say that the Christian belief is not stupid. However I will not call you an ignorant bastard because I will admit the majority of the Christian religion is mad up of assholes! So, if you have some problem I can understand. This is because I’m one of the only Christians I know that believes in God and science. My arguement is that how can anyone claim to know what is and isn’t. I know I cannot “convert” you(which honestly is a stupid thing to do, you don’t force a religion on anyone, it’s just rude) I do hope you will listen to me. My final argument to think about(if you feel like, I mean, it’s not like you have to) is that even you have faith in something you can’t see. It’s called gravity. And just because gravity isn’t in the Bible does not mean that I would deny it’s existence. So please don’t call me or my family stupid for what we belive.

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By: Len Guini

Len Guini — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:40:29 +0000

And now My computer is acting screwy. It said my first reply failed to post. I’m going to stop typing now…

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By: Len Guini

Len Guini — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:39:17 +0000

I meant to say Jew, not “Hew”.

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By: Len Guini

Len Guini — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:37:11 +0000

I meant Jew, not Hew. I think that might be a slur, and I didn’t mean it like that. I was typing too fast.

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By: Len Guini

Len Guini — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:36:18 +0000

@Andrew
That’s why we come to this site: We are not welcome on the other sites, or, to use your analogy, the other parts of the schoolyard. If a Christian or muslim or Hindu or Hew or whatever comes on here and speaks to us rationally, we are freindly, rational people (there used to be a guy on here, Christ4all, later 4christssake, and he was rational for the most part, and we returned the favor), but when they send irrational, unintelligent hatemail, we lose all friendliness toward those people. In short, most of us believe “Do unto others…” is a good philosophy, even if it wasn’t said by an all-powerful deity.

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By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:18:28 +0000

I like the FSM idea and have even seen a few REALLY good things as i have traversed your sites. I do just want to advise quietly, however, that just as i have seen other “Satire” religions do, when you group together in the name of a god (even a spaghetti god)in this Quanum world you are pushing a powerful thoelogical envelope. Your stuff is funny and cool but the grouping together element is the same thing that runs the schoolyard when you are 8 yrs old and it runs the physical world also. It’s what you hate and you can see why it’s power is fun too.

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